[MrBlack]

As if Snake and Metaknight don't get a tier above Top Tier.

Damnit, my two mains (ROB and G&W) are both Top Tier. Now heaps of people will play them just because they're Top Tier >.<

Putting characters into tiers is pointless and bs btw :P but thank you for posting the list so we can see what the arrogant jerks have decided. (Not sarcasm btw, I'm yet to know of an SBR person whose ego fits on my laptop's screen).

Originally Posted by Jojo

Pit should be first and sonic should be way up they,re im so confused its all rong lolz :confused:

Sonic is... bad. I honestly can't see how Sonic can be good, really. He's just really popular for being Sonic.

And can I say something for anyone who is unaware... Snake and Metaknight ARE the two top characters. No debate, no question. It will be a long time before another character will overtake them, and that will probably only happen if there's some amazing discovery.

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Originally Posted by SYNDROME

Let me clear up some misconceptions here:

The first and foremost being: SNAKE IS NOT BANNED FROM TOURNAMENTS!!! (unless it's a gamecrazy or gamestop tournament, and who would go to one of those except to make fun of it?). Oh, and if MK is higher than Snake, why isn't he banned from tournaments??? There is no character in the game with an advantage over Meta Knight.

Second: Fox, his shine went away and l-canceling is out. Just fyi that means he's terrible now. No shfflc.

Third: C Falcon's knee got nerfed and chars are much lighter now and almost impossible to combo.

Fourth: Unfortunately you guys have no clue as to how to interpret this list. Just because Luigi is higher than Mario doesn't mean if they fought Mario would win. This tier list, I believe, is based purely off of tournament results: MK wins the majority of tournaments, Snake next, and so on. It would be impossible to have all of the best smashers on earth congregate and play to see who's the best, that would not make any sense. It is purely statistical. For instance: DK, Pikachu, Peach, MK, Olimar, and R.O.B all have an advantage over Snake. Snake just does better in tournaments than all those chars(except MK).


This may be helpful to some of you CLICKY!!!

Theres a thread on SWF discussing the possible ban of Meta-Norris (heres hoping it happens >_>)

Fox's shine has been nerfed (like everything else about him) but shine spiking is very possible.

You really shouldn't say things like that...there are several members on this site that know exactly how tiers and matchups work. Just not the majority.

Actually other than the top 3, the tourney placements are not the same as the tier list, I can only recall a few noted differences.

Peach is 10 spots lower on the tier list
Toon Link is 8 spots higher on the tier list
Luigi is higher on the tier list.

Originally Posted by MrBlack

Sonic is... bad. I honestly can't see how Sonic can be good, really. He's just really popular for being Sonic.

my only response is, Mr.3000

[Kr!sp]

sonic wouldn't be too bad it's just that he has no kill moves. his F-smash has almost no range. you'd have to roll behind them with perfect ranging to hit and that means no charging unless they're stoopidz. i think his bair is pretty good i unno. and other than that what does he have the rest are just to accumulate damage. the only way to do great with sonic is to combo without mistakes. IMO

everyone got nerfed face it it's brawl they wanted to even out the higher tiers so they decided to get rid of everything that made them awesome and everyone who was good with them would have to start allover finding combos. the only one that didn't get changed too much was marth but seriously if you nerfed just his fair they would have to add bottom tier back to the list cause thats your life-line right there.

[SYNDROME]

Originally Posted by Near

Theres a thread on SWF discussing the possible ban of Meta-Norris (heres hoping it happens >_>)

Fox's shine has been nerfed (like everything else about him) but shine spiking is very possible.

You really shouldn't say things like that...there are several members on this site that know exactly how tiers and matchups work. Just not the majority.

Actually other than the top 3, the tourney placements are not the same as the tier list, I can only recall a few noted differences.

Peach is 10 spots lower on the tier list
Toon Link is 8 spots higher on the tier list
Luigi is higher on the tier list.

Could you explain what you're responding to lol? I can't tell what you're trying to dispute

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Originally Posted by SYNDROME

Could you explain what you're responding to lol? I can't tell what you're trying to dispute

lol, here ya go, cut into sections for you.

Originally Posted by SYNDROME

Oh, and if MK is higher than Snake, why isn't he banned from tournaments??? There is no character in the game with an advantage over Meta Knight.

Theres a thread on SWF discussing the possible ban of Meta-Norris (heres hoping it happens >_>)

Originally Posted by SYNDROME

Second: Fox, his shine went away and l-canceling is out. Just fyi that means he's terrible now. No shfflc.

Fox's shine has been nerfed (like everything else about him) but shine spiking is still very possible.

Originally Posted by SYNDROME

Fourth: Unfortunately you guys have no clue as to how to interpret this list.

You really shouldn't say things like that...there are several members on this site that know exactly how tiers and matchups work. Just not the majority.

Originally Posted by SYNDROME

This tier list, I believe, is based purely off of tournament results: MK wins the majority of tournaments, Snake next, and so on.

Actually other than the top 3, the tourney placements are not the same as the tier list, I can only recall a few noted differences.

Peach is 10 spots lower on the tier list
Toon Link is 8 spots higher on the tier list
Luigi is higher on the tier list.

[SYNDROME]

Originally Posted by Near

lol, here ya go, cut into sections for you.


Theres a thread on SWF discussing the possible ban of Meta-Norris (heres hoping it happens >_>)


Fox's shine has been nerfed (like everything else about him) but shine spiking is still very possible.


You really shouldn't say things like that...there are several members on this site that know exactly how tiers and matchups work. Just not the majority.


Actually other than the top 3, the tourney placements are not the same as the tier list, I can only recall a few noted differences.

Peach is 10 spots lower on the tier list
Toon Link is 8 spots higher on the tier list
Luigi is higher on the tier list.

Oh lol. I was just referring to numbers but that works too

Yeah, about the tourney placements read my next post down after the one you quoted. I don't think any char should be banned, there are enough chars that are equal to MK for him to not be banned. And yes there is a thread on SWF but have you read the responses lol? It's basically just a thread to get rid of people posting threads saying "OMG MK SHOULD BE BANNED"... not necessarily what the community thinks...

As for the 2-3 people on this site who know how match ups work, I figured they would know who they were lol.

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Yeah I've read the thread lol, Its good for a laugh, though nothing would bring me more joy then to see that bastards wings clipped, its too early for a ban.

But enough characters equal to him O.o? Like who lol. (Im aware of the Kongs, but thats only 2)

[SYNDROME]

Originally Posted by Near

Yeah I've read the thread lol, Its good for a laugh, though nothing would bring me more joy then to see that bastards wings clipped, its too early for a ban.

But enough characters equal to him O.o? Like who lol. (Im aware of the Kongs, but thats only 2)

Zelda, TL, G&W, and DK all stand a chance.

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Originally Posted by SYNDROME

Zelda, TL, G&W, and DK all stand a chance.

You forgot diddy, and if that TL stands for toon link, I only have one word for you. ROFLMAO.

[SYNDROME]

Originally Posted by Near

You forgot diddy, and if that TL stands for toon link, I only have one word for you. ROFLMAO.

You didn't even look at the chart I posted?

And no... I didn't forget Diddy... he is at a small disadvantage against MK.